FMBL Championship 3 (Teams poll added!)

[tom]

There were some ideas about the third championship of FMBL.
post here your ideas about how it should be done or anything you want to say about it

[Alex]

I think it should be done with Goodwood on the calendar

I haven't heard how one-shot qualifying went for FMBL, but in another league that tried it out, it's worked fantastically well, and without any hiccups. Perhaps it should be made mandatory for FMBL3.

And just one more question... why is FMBL run over winter? If it was run over summer, I for one would have loads more free time available to take part, but as it happens, I missed quite a few races due to school work. Or is it just more convenient to fit around our different time zones

[John]

I'll write just what I wrote in VROC (good idea to create this thread Tom, dispite the fact that you are a communist ):

- Let's simulate season. Starting with 1950, drive the races of the 1950 season, with the 1950 season points system, see out a champion and move on to 1951.

- GPLRank will soon include a career feature, including injuries! If you injure your self in an FMBL race, you should pass a few races, until you're fit for fight again. This might get people to actually take it easy during starts, and generally during races.

- Tom is a poop

[NooDle]

I'll write just what I wrote in VROC (good idea to create this thread Tom, dispite the fact that you are a communist ):

- Let's simulate season. Starting with 1950, drive the races of the 1950 season, with the 1950 season points system, see out a champion and move on to 1951.

- GPLRank will soon include a career feature, including injuries! If you injure your self in an FMBL race, you should pass a few races, until you're fit for fight again. This might get people to actually take it easy during starts, and generally during races.

- Tom is a poop

1) VERY interesting, but for realisms sake,I think we should start with the 1967 season, and then move on
2) definately not, I would not survive a race, let alone a season
3) heck yeah

[MiÑardi]

I think it should start as soon as FMBL2 finishes. I want to drive a BRM

To save arguments we could race at Legion is it? has all the best bits of every track

Maybe a race at Daytona or Miloval or if ovals aren't your thing we could do the Milano or Daytona with the infield

Other tracks that j'adore are

Liepzig
Snetterton
Paul Ricard


One shot qualifying was fun at Zandvoort but can you imagine it at Spa or Nurburgring? Maybe we could do it at all sub 1.30 tracks.

Well, no one will agree with me but you know...

[BioBiro]

If we're going to simulate a season then we should only use the tracks used that year, so no add-on tracks for FMBL 3. Also could we do like a manager style thing where each team needs a manager, and we could buy drivers for each team, and pay for different costs across different races. This would also help to cut down on the number of teams we have competing, and drivers should be able to manage teams too though. Injuries sounds like a good idea too, makes it even more career like .

[NooDle]

If we're going to simulate a season then we should only use the tracks used that year, so no add-on tracks for FMBL 3. Also could we do like a manager style thing where each team needs a manager, and we could buy drivers for each team, and pay for different costs across different races. This would also help to cut down on the number of teams we have competing, and drivers should be able to manage teams too though. Injuries sounds like a good idea too, makes it even more career like .

we talked about the team boss idea before FMBL2, and its just not doable, it would involve a huge amount of time and effort, and would complicate things endlessly...

for instance, what if I am a teamboss, and my drivers are Marcel and Tom (just to pick 2 silly names). What if tom cant/wont race this race? do I lose my "money". Do I get "points"...
its just too complicated.

And that injury thing is evil too, for the reason I said above

[tom]

I think we mustn't have any ovals on the league and since I'm a modern f1 fan,I'd like a modern f1 track(sepang for example or hockenheim 98-I haven't tested it-).Also I think 17 races is ok,no more,no less.I really don't know how this injury thing works.could someone explain?(I will look at it on gpl rank,but there are ppl who are lazy to go there and check it ),but i think that i agree with noodle on the manager thing

good idea to create this thread Tom, dispite the fact that you are a communist

not "despite".the correct is "because of"

[Dan Belcher]

Ovals = very good

99% of modern F1 tracks = very bad.

Injures = good

Other complications = bad

[John]

A few notes:
- It is a retro sim, why should we race the chicane-infested modern tracks?
- 17 races is waaaay too much. It works for Tom who stays at home every weekend (:)) but for the rest of us, it's over the top.
- Thus, a 1950 season would be:
Silverstone
Monte Carlo
Indianapolis
Bremgarten
Spa-Franchorchamps
Reims-Geaux
Monza

I have the Indianapolis track, which I will share with you fine people if we will race like this.

[Lio]

Only the 12 best results count, so it's not a problem if some can't race every time. I think 17 races is good, I'm often at home on Sunday and so I can race. A season for just a few races would be quite boring. what can we do if some of us are still out on Sunday? That's life, you can't penalize ppl that went out on Saturday and are at home on Sunday, because some were hom on Saturday and go out on Sunday (understood?

We can use old tracks, that is not a problem, as long as those tracks are interesting.

About the career mode, if I go out at one race, I don't want not to be able to race the next one because of an "injury". In fact, I quite like the system as it is now.

I agree with Tom in a way, it should be interesting to try one or two tracks from the 2003 F1 championship. Or we could put races from 1950, some from 1967, one or two from 2003 (great ones of course, not something like Imola, ...). I think Sepang could be fine, with corners, straights, ... Spa... (if it exists).

I don't like ovals, this is not amazing really, and we can't really drive on ovals (it's just pressing the throttle and moving the wheel, without any difficulty).

I'm here to have fun, I don't want to be bothered with managers things, ... having money to buy drivers, ... it could be a good idea, but I don't have time for it: I just have time for a race every 2 weeks.

For: good 1950 tracks, good modern tracks, maybe Sepang and Spa, 17 races, normal qualifying. In fact, tracks that can give us good races or pleasure (Anderstop, Zeltweg are good for example)
Against: injuries, a season with 10 races, manager aspect of the game

[John]

But after the 1950 season, you take a few weeks off, then start with 1951. In that sense, maybe it's not that much of a difference from what we're doing now.

[tom]

we could also try a couple of tracks fro each decade of f1.for example,
2 from 50's
2 from 60's
2 from 70's
2 from 80's
2 from 90's to today(or 1 since not many ppl like today's track and the only difference to the old ones is some more chicanes)
and then 7 more tracks from 50s' or 60's or 70's
we should also try to have at least 1 track from each continent

and the points Lio made about managers and injuries are good.I think we shouldn't have them

[John]

and the points Lio made about managers and injuries are good.I think we shouldn't have them

There goes my dreams on having people taking it easy at the start

IMHO; it feels totally wrong to race GPL cars on tracks made for the cars of 1987 or 1992. These babies were supposed to race on lethal road courses!

[MonteCristo]

I dont much like the idea of being hurt and all. Its far too easy to crash when it isnt anyones fault - warping and so on.

I do love the idea of racing by the seasons - and only those tracks. Thats a great idea infact.

[BackTo80s]

1950, 1951, ..... seasons idea: very good, just 1 oval as addition would be nice (Miloval, Daytona, .... anything like that)

injury: ok for me

qualy mode: i liked the 1 lap mode, but it was just sad that the server crashed, so i'm for that, if that doesn't work then 10 mins practice or so.

everything else doesn't really matter and i give the decision to all you others

[John]

1950, 1951, ..... seasons idea: very good, just 1 oval as addition would be nice (Miloval, Daytona, .... anything like that)

Indianapolis? :D

[Varun]

and the points Lio made about managers and injuries are good.I think we shouldn't have them

There goes my dreams on having people taking it easy at the start

IMHO; it feels totally wrong to race GPL cars on tracks made for the cars of 1987 or 1992. These babies were supposed to race on lethal road courses!

I agree!!

We have to do this career mode thing or it wont be any exciting. Just think of the possibilities. It would make the season very exciting if one of the good drivers got injured and we got a chance to catch up. It would be a good thing to drive like that.


I say we have a vote on this issue about career mode. I for one support it.

[tom]

I don't want to be faster than ppl cos they're "injured".I want to be faster cos I have practised a lot and I know the track better and I managed to set my car up better and I rule ,but not because of an internet lag crash or smth

also ovals are boring.We should have a nice track with some nice corners and braking areas instead of a full throttle race.The winner of an oval race is the guy that sleeps last!

[Marcel]

I'm all for John's season idea.
I'd say we should even use the appropriate points rules for those years while we're at it.

As for the manager idea, I was thinking the same for FMBL2 but as Noodle said, it's too much trouble to get something like that going properly. I would like it, but too many people won't, and in that case it's just not going to work. It will only scare people away who just want to race.

I like the career mode idea. Does it also mean that you're simply out of the race when you have a big crash, as in no shift-r?
On the other hand, many people just can't help the fact that they crash all the time because of their terrible driving.... skills ... maybe we could split FMBL into two divisions or something (who race together) by GPLRank? We can look at that.

Alex, we run FMBL during winter because during summer we have F1 every other weekend - during winter we need something else to get our fix
Anyway let's please not start the next season immediately so that we can sort all kinds of things out first (server stuff, etc.).

[TankSlapper]

Indianapolis? :D

Yes, please!!! Indianapolis is an oval that does require skill and shouldn't be flat out in these cars (I think...?). Plus wasn't it a world championship race in the 60's.

That could be ideal for the idea of doing consequtive seasons with the correct tracks, points and qualifying format. I am for that idea, because then we can have driver and team deals during the offseason. Thus we could have different team-mates for year to year and that would make the constuctors/team championship more interesting. Also I like the idea of having a variety of constructors, so everybody is not driving a Lotus or Ferrari, etc...

[John]

It's not flat out, T1 and T3 are difficult in these cars

[tom]

after deep thoughts I decided that this seasons championship system is very good.
I disagree with the injury thing as I've said before.
We could have 7 races for each season(cos there were 7 mentioned for 1950 so we could use 7 for every year) and the point system of that year.Also we should count for the standings the best 5 results and get rid of the 2 worst.
But,I guess that after a couple of years we'll be in 1954 and will have more 50 years to simulate and what happens when every track of the next year has been already used? (do we use the tracks that were in the calendar of that year or just the layouts of that year,no matter whether they were or not in the f1 schedule? )

[Mawerick]

edit: edited out my stupidity (if possible). I was thinking about Daytona

[John]

It's not flat out, T1 and T3 are difficult in these cars

Difficult, nope. Need concentration, yep.


Flat out? Definitely.

What version of Indy do you use? Who sent it to you?