How much Torque?

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Postby Ian » Fri Nov 26, 2004 1:07 pm

LOL, it's so lucky we have informed people on this board, i only piked up this thread today,but it was so funny.

Can you imagine if Xenom was the only one to give an answer.

No please don't think about it it's too terrible.

A big

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To the informed.
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Postby operator » Tue Nov 30, 2004 1:29 pm

And WTF is "Thorque" anyways. Man. That bugged the hell out of me reading this thread.
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Postby barron » Tue Nov 30, 2004 5:31 pm

operator wrote:And WTF is "Thorque" anyways. Man. That bugged the hell out of me reading this thread.

as jermey said, hard to compare apple to happles
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Postby ettsn » Wed Dec 01, 2004 10:27 pm

Oh my. Laughing literally out loud. Xenom, please don't be so arrogant when you only know enough to be really wrong. Perhaps this will help, buddy:

Torque is how hard you bang your head against a wall. Horsepower is more like the effect on your noggin (or the wall) from doing so repeatedly for a given period of time.

Want to hurt yourself more? You can't hit the wall any harder (thorque), but you can hit it more times in a minute (horsepower).

Does that help? Bang away.

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Postby RawFlesh » Thu Dec 16, 2004 11:48 pm

Damn, someone should linky this to the funny board........

I was bored at work, so i decided to read up a lil on racing tech..... Didnt know i'd find Xenom's 'mechanic' expert advice...... It's so really funny......... :lol: :lol:

Could someone please inform me if Xenom does decide to show up again...... Wonder what other funny things he'll say...... :wink: :lol: :wink:
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Postby NooDle » Thu Dec 23, 2004 3:43 am

ROFLMAO

I should visit here more often again
this stuff is GOLD!

any votes on if I should make this sticky or not?
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Postby RawFlesh » Thu Dec 23, 2004 4:06 am

NooDle wrote:ROFLMAO

I should visit here more often again
this stuff is GOLD!

any votes on if I should make this sticky or not?


I shall vote that it be a sticky, plus probably someone should maintain his/her signature to something like "Please do not take what say seriously because I can't think properly" or something like that :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby LOUD HOWARD » Thu Dec 23, 2004 4:23 am

Change the little "F3000 champion" thing under his name to "I Torque shit"
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Postby barron » Thu Dec 23, 2004 1:07 pm

lol, this is my favourite thread, i so wish i didn't have to work that day and could have took part in the ownage itself, and ad for making it a sticky, i think a change in title is all thats required....nothing gets bumped off the main page in this fourm anywho
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Postby Rob » Thu Dec 23, 2004 1:10 pm

Thorque is definately a candidate for post of the year

there'll be a thread soon for everyone to vote on :)
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~ 100 Nm / Litre

Postby buechris » Sat Feb 05, 2005 2:54 pm

Hy all.

Just to show how much torque you can get from a natrual aspiratet engine these days.

All of the state of the art engines try to reach max Power over RPM´s, an so the layout of them are mostly the same.

But it is intresting to see that all of them have mostly the same Power/Litre or torque/Liter.

Audi 4.2 4163ccm 344PS-7000U/min 410Nm-3500U/min 98,5Nm/L

BMW M3 3246ccm 360PS-7900U/min 370Nm-4900U/min 113,9Nm/L

F 430 4308ccm 490PS-8500U/min 465Nm-5250U/min 107,9Nm/L

F Enzo 5998ccm 660PS-7800U/min 658Nm-5500U/min 109,5Nm/L

S 2000 1997ccm 241PS-8300U/min 208Nm-7500U/min 104,2Nm/L 120PS/L

Carrera GT
5733ccm 612PS-8000U/min 590Nm-5750U/min 102,9Nm/L


Very intressting is that a HONDA CBR RR
600ccm 117PS-13000U/min ~70Nm ~116Nm/L and 195,3 PS/L

A littel math... 195,3PS/L ... 3L = 585,9 PS yeha but 348Nm... what a strange engine-- like formula one.

Sure these are all 4Valves DOHC engines, the Bore is min 82,5mm max 99mm which allows short piston ways from min 75,2mm (Enzo) max 92,8 (Audi).

The Piston Speeds are max 24,13 m/sec ( Gallardo with Titainium Piston) and as far as i know in Formula One they are not very higher.

The Honda S2000 has an aluminium Block with some keramik fibers added to make it stronger.

Formula One engines may have between 350 and 450Nm everything higher i won´t belive.

greets Chris

PS: Sorry for my english.

PPS: Honda RC 211V 989ccm ~255PS / 16200U/min = 765 PS/3L
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Postby Mawerick » Tue May 16, 2006 5:29 pm

I just have to ^bump^ this again :mrgreen:
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Postby Gavin » Mon May 22, 2006 6:00 am

LOUD HOWARD wrote:Change the little "F3000 champion" thing under his name to "I Torque shit"



Lol seeing this thread for the first time ... your response ... pure Gold!!!
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Postby Michael » Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:39 pm

He strikes again! This time with rally cars. :lol:
http://tbk.fameflame.dk/phpBB2/viewtopi ... &start=125
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Xen wrote:No, this is right rallyefan, but FIA does limit the power with this air restrictor, so basically it is the same. They just control the HP. However the modern WRC cars produce over 800Nm of torque and as you said, from around 2000rpm to 6000rpm. Enough to get from 0 to 100kph in less than 3.5s... :)


Sorry Xen, but the torque is way lower than 800 Nm. It's more like 330-400 Nm, and it's just on the top end of the revolution scale about 4.500-6.000 rpm. The figures depends on car/manufacturer.
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Postby Mawerick » Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:57 pm

It's true though that turbocharged engines have much more torque than NA engines. My 2-litre Saab has around 360Nm while an NA version would have probably about half that.
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Postby Waldorf » Sun Jan 21, 2007 3:49 pm

And it's true that restricting airflow limits power to a constant across the rpm range, so torque will be very low at higher rpm and very high at lower rpm (assuming the engine is producing the maximum power over a wide rpm range). That would feel very weird.

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Postby NooDle » Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:04 am

800 Nm of t(h)orque...in a rallycar...
I think this guy really has no idea what he's talking about.

Only huuuuge engines or a turbo/supercharger can get you that amount of torque...
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Postby Waldorf » Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:47 pm

From the horse's mouth:
http://www.subaru-msm.com/global/team/car.html
Power -- 300bhp @ 5500rpm
Torque -- 60kg-m @ 4000rpm (~600 Nm, 420 lb-ft)


That shows just how bizarre the torque curve is. It is already making its maximum power at 4000 rpm, and continue to make the same power all the way to 5500 rpm. You would feel the thrust decreasing as the revs increased. Upshifting would result in no change in acceleration. It would be weird.

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Postby NooDle » Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:14 am

Waldorf wrote:From the horse's mouth:
http://www.subaru-msm.com/global/team/car.html
Power -- 300bhp @ 5500rpm
Torque -- 60kg-m @ 4000rpm (~600 Nm, 420 lb-ft)


That shows just how bizarre the torque curve is. It is already making its maximum power at 4000 rpm, and continue to make the same power all the way to 5500 rpm. You would feel the thrust decreasing as the revs increased. Upshifting would result in no change in acceleration. It would be weird.


very diesel like acceleration : all low down and nothing high up the rev band. Strange for a rally car
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Postby Edu » Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:07 am

The WRC engines these days are stupidly powerful. I wouldn't contest Subaru's numbers - they do look like they have electric engines, it's a constant power blast all the way through the gears. And they do rev quite low indeed. Check out the onboard shots and you'll notice that. The normally aspirated S2000 cars rev up to 9000 though. It's just that the WRC's have jumbo-sized turbochargers. One can only wonder how much power they'd spit out if there were no restrictions...
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Postby Mawerick » Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:36 am

Edu wrote:One can only wonder how much power they'd spit out if there were no restrictions...

I'm thinking about the '87 Audi group-B engine that was allegedly pumping out 1000hp+. I suppose they would be making maybe 1500hp?
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Re: How much Torque?

Postby Travis Daye » Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:43 pm

I originally intended to post this on November 21st - Thorque Day - but of course I forgot when the day came around.

Oh well.

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Re: How much Torque?

Postby NooDle » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:34 pm

Thanks for bumping this thread.

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